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Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82355] So, 17 Augustus 2003 00:57 na volgende boodskap
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Een al wat ouder bericht, maar nog niet zo achterhaald als de racist
Mandela himself:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2078003/
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Race and Rescue
Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:28 PM PT

It's a strong field in which to compete, but the contest for the most
stupid remarks about the impending confrontation with Saddam Hussein has
apparently been won by Nelson Mandela. Not content with describing this
confrontation as a "holocaust" and attributing every administration motive
to the greed for oil, the first president of liberated South Africa said
that contempt had been shown for the United Nations because Kofi Annan was
black, and that such things never used to happen when U.N. general
secretaries were white. (This is the second time in six months that Mandela
has said this and the second time that Kofi Annan has had no comment on the
suggestion.)

Where to begin? And what to say when Nelson Mandela plays the race card? I
can remember when the secretary-general was Boutros-Ghali, an Egyptian
Coptic Christian married to an Egyptian Jew, and I can remember when he
said that the West cared about Bosnia only because Bosnians were white. I
didn't know how to begin on that occasion, either, because the fact was
that the West at that stage didn't give a damn for the Bosnians. But if it
had followed Boutros-Ghali's advice and let Bosnia slide, we would
certainly now be hearing that nobody cared for the Bosnians because they
were Muslim.

In the same period an urgent fax was received at the United Nations HQ from
the French-Canadian commander in Rwanda, Gen. Romeo Dallaire. It warned
that plans for genocide were about to be made real and begged for a small
increase in the U.N. military presence in Kigali. The fax landed on Kofi
Annan's desk (he was then a deputy to Boutros-Ghali) and stayed there.
Madeleine Albright later vetoed any further action to forestall the mass
slaughter of Tutsi by Hutu. I can think of many reasons to condemn Annan's
culpable inaction, but I would hesitate to assert that he lifted no finger
to save fellow Africans because he was by birth a Ghanaian but married to a
Swede (who, incidentally, is a direct descendant of Raoul Wallenberg).

During the last round with Saddam Hussein, the secretary-general of the
U.N. was a listless Peruvian named Javier Perez de Cuellar. He also
conceived it as his job to ask for "more time" (without ever specifying
more time for what) and incurred much American criticism for doing so. Are
Peruvians white or black? Or neither? Does the epidermis count in such
matters?

The Burmese U Thant was a ditherer par excellence as secretary-general, but
he enjoyed wide respect for his philosophical bearing and manner. Kurt
Waldheim basked in support from all factions during his period of pointless
jet-setting but was then discovered to have been a raging Nazi and is now,
because of the brown-ness of his former shirt at least, forbidden even to
set foot in the United States. That's racism for you. The only secretary-
general to have been really hated by the leading Western powers was the
pale Scandinavian Dag Hammarskjold, and there are to this day those who
believe that his plane crash in Africa was no accident. He had devoted
himself to the saving of the post-independence Belgian Congo and to the
prevention of Katangese secession: an important cause that Nelson Mandela
as a young man would have followed closely.

In other words, there isn't even any metaphorical truth in what one of the
world's moral heroes has just said. And a pool of embarrassment has formed
around his remarks: Not even Cynthia McKinney is likely to want to push it
this far. I doubt that Jacques Chirac, whose fondness for Africans and for
abrupt interventions in Africa is sans pareil, will want to take advantage
of this rhetorical opportunity, either.

A further question arises. Does Mandela suppose that weapons of mass
destruction are no matter? South Africa is the country most often cited as
exemplary in its decision to destroy the nuclear devices that it built
under the foul old regime and to demonstrate (indeed, to volunteer) clear
and precise compliance with the Non-Proliferation Treaty. In the very week
that Iraq declines contemptuously to do the same, Mandela speaks as if the
U.N. were being insulted only by those who sponsored the disarmament
resolution. And to this he adds the accusation that those who disagree with
him are guilty of racism! There were those who said that South Africa
disarmed itself only so that nukes would not fall into the hands of blacks.
Does Mandela now think that they were right?

The grand old man has made crass remarks before. In a speech in Kenya a few
years ago he said that critics of then-President Moi were motivated by
colonialist nostalgia. The Kenyan voters recently and overwhelmingly
dismissed the candidate of the discredited Moi regime. Mandela also praised
Col. Qaddafi and Maximum Leader Fidel Castro for their help in assisting
the revolution in South Africa (which is true enough in the case of Cuba).
But he said this while defending his policy of uncritical friendship with
both leaders. A man of ordinary moral courage might have gone as far as
saying that he wished they had been elected, as he himself was (by a
probable majority if not plurality of "white" votes as well as black,
Indian, and "mixed" ones). What could he have been afraid of? But political
courage and moral and physical courage are not axiomatically linked, and
Mandela has a surplus only of the last two.

I have never in my life kept a photograph of myself with any politician or
celebrity except the one I have of my meeting with Mandela. I can remember
sitting and drinking several times with his successor Thabo Mbeki, in the
latter's student leftist days. Nothing can take anything away from the
imperishable movement that they and others led. But this latest garbage is
a very timely caution against our common tendency to make supermen and
stars and heroes out of fellow humans. Iraq is not Saddam any more than
Zimbabwe is Mugabe, and being on the right side of history once is no
guarantee that the subsequent fall will not be from a very great height.

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82373 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82355] So, 17 Augustus 2003 15:20 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Willem-Jan Markerink wrote

> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
> By Christopher Hitchens

Hoekom vertel jy nie liewers vir Christopher Hitchens
om gewig te verloor en sy olierige hare meer gereeld
te was nie.
Christopher Hitchens maak sy geld deur mense aan
te val. Eers was sy prooi Bill Clinton, wat nou duidelik
'n baie populere persoon blyk te wees, net soos sy vrou,
Hilary Clinton, nog iemand wat Christopher Hitchens
probeer uitmaak het as die laagste van die laagste.
Ongelukkig vir Christopher Hitchens was Mandela
se opinies oor die aanval in Irak ook die opinies van meeste
verligte westerse lande, en ook Kanada.
Ongelukkig vir Willem-Jan Markerink en Christopher
Hitchens en sulke snare, loop dinge in Irak deesdae ook nie
soos Bush en Hitchens en Markerink verwag het nie. Dag
na dag sterf daar Amerikaanse soldate in Irak. En die Irakiers
wil die Amerikaners uit die land sien. Wanneer sal die Bush
administrasie begin verskonings maak en beplan om hulle
te onttrek uit Irak. Mens sien al die eerste tekens. Nou wil
hulle skielik ander lede van die VVO inbring. Ek hoop dat
ons Kanadese regering sal aanhou om te weier om Kanadese
soldate in Irak in te stuur.

Tant Hessie van Tikrit
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82374 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82373] So, 17 Augustus 2003 16:42 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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"@rogers.com" wrote in news:e3N%a.181246$4UE.121452
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>
> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote
>
>> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>> By Christopher Hitchens
>
> Hoekom vertel jy nie liewers vir Christopher Hitchens
> om gewig te verloor en sy olierige hare meer gereeld
> te was nie.
> Christopher Hitchens maak sy geld deur mense aan
> te val. Eers was sy prooi Bill Clinton, wat nou duidelik
> 'n baie populere persoon blyk te wees, net soos sy vrou,
> Hilary Clinton, nog iemand wat Christopher Hitchens
> probeer uitmaak het as die laagste van die laagste.
> Ongelukkig vir Christopher Hitchens was Mandela
> se opinies oor die aanval in Irak ook die opinies van meeste
> verligte westerse lande, en ook Kanada.
> Ongelukkig vir Willem-Jan Markerink en Christopher
> Hitchens en sulke snare, loop dinge in Irak deesdae ook nie
> soos Bush en Hitchens en Markerink verwag het nie. Dag
> na dag sterf daar Amerikaanse soldate in Irak.

Minder dan in een Amerikaanse stad met 150.000 inwoners.

> En die Irakiers
> wil die Amerikaners uit die land sien.

Terror talks.
Trouwens, waarom werd er in Canada tijdens wel geplunderd, en in de USA
niet?
Canada had toch veel beter geintegreerde allochtonen?

> Wanneer sal die Bush
> administrasie begin verskonings maak en beplan om hulle
> te onttrek uit Irak. Mens sien al die eerste tekens.

Jy sien tekenen in die clouds, cloudina?

> Nou wil
> hulle skielik ander lede van die VVO inbring. Ek hoop dat
> ons Kanadese regering sal aanhou om te weier om Kanadese
> soldate in Irak in te stuur.

Ik herinner me ook nog vaag een Canadese weigering/coverup inzake Congo....

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82378 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82355] So, 17 Augustus 2003 18:49 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Zaterdag de 13e  is tans af-lyn  Zaterdag de 13e
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"Willem-Jan Markerink" skryf in boodskap news:Xns93DA1E1B5B0FCwjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4...
> Een al wat ouder bericht, maar nog niet zo achterhaald als de racist
> Mandela himself:
>
> http://slate.msn.com/id/2078003/
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Race and Rescue
> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
> By Christopher Hitchens
> Posted Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:28 PM PT
>
> It's a strong field in which to compete, but the contest for the most
> stupid remarks about the impending confrontation with Saddam Hussein has
> apparently been won by Nelson Mandela. Not content with describing this
> confrontation as a "holocaust" and attributing every administration motive
> to the greed for oil, the first president of liberated South Africa said
> that contempt had been shown for the United Nations because Kofi Annan was
> black, and that such things never used to happen when U.N. general
> secretaries were white. (This is the second time in six months that Mandela
> has said this and the second time that Kofi Annan has had no comment on the
> suggestion.)
>
> Where to begin? And what to say when Nelson Mandela plays the race card? I
> can remember when the secretary-general was Boutros-Ghali, an Egyptian
> Coptic Christian married to an Egyptian Jew, and I can remember when he
> said that the West cared about Bosnia only because Bosnians were white. I
> didn't know how to begin on that occasion, either, because the fact was
> that the West at that stage didn't give a damn for the Bosnians. But if it
> had followed Boutros-Ghali's advice and let Bosnia slide, we would
> certainly now be hearing that nobody cared for the Bosnians because they
> were Muslim.
>
> In the same period an urgent fax was received at the United Nations HQ from
> the French-Canadian commander in Rwanda, Gen. Romeo Dallaire. It warned
> that plans for genocide were about to be made real and begged for a small
> increase in the U.N. military presence in Kigali. The fax landed on Kofi
> Annan's desk (he was then a deputy to Boutros-Ghali) and stayed there.
> Madeleine Albright later vetoed any further action to forestall the mass
> slaughter of Tutsi by Hutu. I can think of many reasons to condemn Annan's
> culpable inaction, but I would hesitate to assert that he lifted no finger
> to save fellow Africans because he was by birth a Ghanaian but married to a
> Swede (who, incidentally, is a direct descendant of Raoul Wallenberg).
>
> During the last round with Saddam Hussein, the secretary-general of the
> U.N. was a listless Peruvian named Javier Perez de Cuellar. He also
> conceived it as his job to ask for "more time" (without ever specifying
> more time for what) and incurred much American criticism for doing so. Are
> Peruvians white or black? Or neither? Does the epidermis count in such
> matters?
>
> The Burmese U Thant was a ditherer par excellence as secretary-general, but
> he enjoyed wide respect for his philosophical bearing and manner. Kurt
> Waldheim basked in support from all factions during his period of pointless
> jet-setting but was then discovered to have been a raging Nazi and is now,
> because of the brown-ness of his former shirt at least, forbidden even to
> set foot in the United States. That's racism for you. The only secretary-
> general to have been really hated by the leading Western powers was the
> pale Scandinavian Dag Hammarskjold, and there are to this day those who
> believe that his plane crash in Africa was no accident. He had devoted
> himself to the saving of the post-independence Belgian Congo and to the
> prevention of Katangese secession: an important cause that Nelson Mandela
> as a young man would have followed closely.
>
> In other words, there isn't even any metaphorical truth in what one of the
> world's moral heroes has just said. And a pool of embarrassment has formed
> around his remarks: Not even Cynthia McKinney is likely to want to push it
> this far. I doubt that Jacques Chirac, whose fondness for Africans and for
> abrupt interventions in Africa is sans pareil, will want to take advantage
> of this rhetorical opportunity, either.
>
> A further question arises. Does Mandela suppose that weapons of mass
> destruction are no matter? South Africa is the country most often cited as
> exemplary in its decision to destroy the nuclear devices that it built
> under the foul old regime and to demonstrate (indeed, to volunteer) clear
> and precise compliance with the Non-Proliferation Treaty. In the very week
> that Iraq declines contemptuously to do the same, Mandela speaks as if the
> U.N. were being insulted only by those who sponsored the disarmament
> resolution. And to this he adds the accusation that those who disagree with
> him are guilty of racism! There were those who said that South Africa
> disarmed itself only so that nukes would not fall into the hands of blacks.
> Does Mandela now think that they were right?
>
> The grand old man has made crass remarks before. In a speech in Kenya a few
> years ago he said that critics of then-President Moi were motivated by
> colonialist nostalgia. The Kenyan voters recently and overwhelmingly
> dismissed the candidate of the discredited Moi regime. Mandela also praised
> Col. Qaddafi and Maximum Leader Fidel Castro for their help in assisting
> the revolution in South Africa (which is true enough in the case of Cuba).
> But he said this while defending his policy of uncritical friendship with
> both leaders. A man of ordinary moral courage might have gone as far as
> saying that he wished they had been elected, as he himself was (by a
> probable majority if not plurality of "white" votes as well as black,
> Indian, and "mixed" ones). What could he have been afraid of? But political
> courage and moral and physical courage are not axiomatically linked, and
> Mandela has a surplus only of the last two.
>
> I have never in my life kept a photograph of myself with any politician or
> celebrity except the one I have of my meeting with Mandela. I can remember
> sitting and drinking several times with his successor Thabo Mbeki, in the
> latter's student leftist days. Nothing can take anything away from the
> imperishable movement that they and others led. But this latest garbage is
> a very timely caution against our common tendency to make supermen and
> stars and heroes out of fellow humans. Iraq is not Saddam any more than
> Zimbabwe is Mugabe, and being on the right side of history once is no
> guarantee that the subsequent fall will not be from a very great height.
>
> --
> Bye,
>
> Willem-Jan Markerink
>
> The desire to understand
> is sometimes far less intelligent than
> the inability to understand
>
>
> [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]

Ik weet niet of Mandela seniel is. Wat ik wel weet is dat de apartheid in
Zuid-Afrika nog op volle toeren draait.
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82432 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82378] Ma, 18 Augustus 2003 19:08 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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"Zaterdag de 13e" skryf in boodskap news:bhoish$ove$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>
> "Willem-Jan Markerink" schreef in bericht
> news:Xns93DA1E1B5B0FCwjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4...
>> Een al wat ouder bericht, maar nog niet zo achterhaald als de racist
>> Mandela himself:
>>
>> http://slate.msn.com/id/2078003/
>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Race and Rescue
>> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>> By Christopher Hitchens
>> Posted Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:28 PM PT

(and snipped Sunday August 17, 2003)

> Ik weet niet of Mandela seniel is. Wat ik wel weet is dat de apartheid in
> Zuid-Afrika nog op volle toeren draait.

Except that now it's black against white!
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82433 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82373] Ma, 18 Augustus 2003 19:08 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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"@rogers.com" wrote in message
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>
> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote
>
>> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>> By Christopher Hitchens
>
> Hoekom vertel jy nie liewers vir Christopher Hitchens
> om gewig te verloor en sy olierige hare meer gereeld
> te was nie.
> Christopher Hitchens maak sy geld deur mense aan
> te val. Eers was sy prooi Bill Clinton, wat nou duidelik
> 'n baie populere persoon blyk te wees, net soos sy vrou,
> Hilary Clinton, nog iemand wat Christopher Hitchens
> probeer uitmaak het as die laagste van die laagste.
> Ongelukkig vir Christopher Hitchens was Mandela
> se opinies oor die aanval in Irak ook die opinies van meeste
> verligte westerse lande, en ook Kanada.
> Ongelukkig vir Willem-Jan Markerink en Christopher
> Hitchens en sulke snare, loop dinge in Irak deesdae ook nie
> soos Bush en Hitchens en Markerink verwag het nie. Dag
> na dag sterf daar Amerikaanse soldate in Irak. En die Irakiers
> wil die Amerikaners uit die land sien. Wanneer sal die Bush
> administrasie begin verskonings maak en beplan om hulle
> te onttrek uit Irak. Mens sien al die eerste tekens. Nou wil
> hulle skielik ander lede van die VVO inbring. Ek hoop dat
> ons Kanadese regering sal aanhou om te weier om Kanadese
> soldate in Irak in te stuur.
>
> Tant Hessie van Tikrit

Jislaaik, nou is die Kanadese DRIE talig - Engels (of iets wat soos
Engels klink) Frans EN Afrikaans!!!
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82436 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82374] Ma, 18 Augustus 2003 20:22 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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Willem-Jan
Jy moet versigtig wees. Mandela is tot heilige verhef.
Ek sal maar wag vir sy boedel om eersdaags bekend gemaak te word. (Ek sal
graag wil sien of elkeen van die rande op 'n eerlike wyse bekom is.)

"Willem-Jan Markerink" skryf in boodskap news:Xns93DABE49BBD6Dwjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4...
> "@rogers.com" wrote in news:e3N%a.181246$4UE.121452
> @news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:
>
>>
>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote
>>
>>> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>>> By Christopher Hitchens
>>
>> Hoekom vertel jy nie liewers vir Christopher Hitchens
>> om gewig te verloor en sy olierige hare meer gereeld
>> te was nie.
>> Christopher Hitchens maak sy geld deur mense aan
>> te val. Eers was sy prooi Bill Clinton, wat nou duidelik
>> 'n baie populere persoon blyk te wees, net soos sy vrou,
>> Hilary Clinton, nog iemand wat Christopher Hitchens
>> probeer uitmaak het as die laagste van die laagste.
>> Ongelukkig vir Christopher Hitchens was Mandela
>> se opinies oor die aanval in Irak ook die opinies van meeste
>> verligte westerse lande, en ook Kanada.
>> Ongelukkig vir Willem-Jan Markerink en Christopher
>> Hitchens en sulke snare, loop dinge in Irak deesdae ook nie
>> soos Bush en Hitchens en Markerink verwag het nie. Dag
>> na dag sterf daar Amerikaanse soldate in Irak.
>
> Minder dan in een Amerikaanse stad met 150.000 inwoners.
>
>> En die Irakiers
>> wil die Amerikaners uit die land sien.
>
> Terror talks.
> Trouwens, waarom werd er in Canada tijdens wel geplunderd, en in de USA
> niet?
> Canada had toch veel beter geintegreerde allochtonen?
>
>> Wanneer sal die Bush
>> administrasie begin verskonings maak en beplan om hulle
>> te onttrek uit Irak. Mens sien al die eerste tekens.
>
> Jy sien tekenen in die clouds, cloudina?
>
>> Nou wil
>> hulle skielik ander lede van die VVO inbring. Ek hoop dat
>> ons Kanadese regering sal aanhou om te weier om Kanadese
>> soldate in Irak in te stuur.
>
> Ik herinner me ook nog vaag een Canadese weigering/coverup inzake Congo....
>
> --
> Bye,
>
> Willem-Jan Markerink
>
> The desire to understand
> is sometimes far less intelligent than
> the inability to understand
>
>
> [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82441 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82433] Ma, 18 Augustus 2003 22:14 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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"sorites" wrote in news:3f412616$0$2...@hades.is.co.za:

>
> "@rogers.com" wrote in message
> news:e3N%a.181246$4UE.121452@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.roger s.com...

>> Willem-Jan Markerink wrote

>>> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>>> By Christopher Hitchens

>> Hoekom vertel jy nie liewers vir Christopher Hitchens
>> om gewig te verloor en sy olierige hare meer gereeld
>> te was nie.
>> Christopher Hitchens maak sy geld deur mense aan
>> te val. Eers was sy prooi Bill Clinton, wat nou duidelik
>> 'n baie populere persoon blyk te wees, net soos sy vrou,
>> Hilary Clinton, nog iemand wat Christopher Hitchens
>> probeer uitmaak het as die laagste van die laagste.
>> Ongelukkig vir Christopher Hitchens was Mandela
>> se opinies oor die aanval in Irak ook die opinies van meeste
>> verligte westerse lande, en ook Kanada.
>> Ongelukkig vir Willem-Jan Markerink en Christopher
>> Hitchens en sulke snare, loop dinge in Irak deesdae ook nie
>> soos Bush en Hitchens en Markerink verwag het nie. Dag
>> na dag sterf daar Amerikaanse soldate in Irak. En die Irakiers
>> wil die Amerikaners uit die land sien. Wanneer sal die Bush
>> administrasie begin verskonings maak en beplan om hulle
>> te onttrek uit Irak. Mens sien al die eerste tekens. Nou wil
>> hulle skielik ander lede van die VVO inbring. Ek hoop dat
>> ons Kanadese regering sal aanhou om te weier om Kanadese
>> soldate in Irak in te stuur.

>> Tant Hessie van Tikrit
>
> Jislaaik, nou is die Kanadese DRIE talig - Engels (of iets wat soos
> Engels klink) Frans EN Afrikaans!!!

4-talig.

+ Koeterwaals.

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82442 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82436] Ma, 18 Augustus 2003 22:15 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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"Jonas" wrote in news:bhrcid$fko$1@ctb-
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> Willem-Jan
> Jy moet versigtig wees. Mandela is tot heilige verhef.
> Ek sal maar wag vir sy boedel om eersdaags bekend gemaak te word. (Ek sal
> graag wil sien of elkeen van die rande op 'n eerlike wyse bekom is.)
>

Het geld van zijn ega is iig ontstolen aan het Mozambiquaanse volk.

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82469 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82432] Di, 19 Augustus 2003 10:09 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Zaterdag de 13e  is tans af-lyn  Zaterdag de 13e
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"sorites" skryf in boodskap news:3f412610$0$226@hades.is.co.za...
>
> "Zaterdag de 13e" wrote in message
> news:bhoish$ove$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>>
>> "Willem-Jan Markerink" schreef in bericht
>> news:Xns93DA1E1B5B0FCwjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4...
>>> Een al wat ouder bericht, maar nog niet zo achterhaald als de racist
>>> Mandela himself:
>>>
>>> http://slate.msn.com/id/2078003/
>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Race and Rescue
>>> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>>> By Christopher Hitchens
>>> Posted Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:28 PM PT
>
> (and snipped Sunday August 17, 2003)
>
>> Ik weet niet of Mandela seniel is. Wat ik wel weet is dat de apartheid
> in
>> Zuid-Afrika nog op volle toeren draait.
>
> Except that now it's black against white!
>
>
>
>

Moet jij daar het aantal zwarte bediendes maar eens afzetten tegen het
aantal blanke.
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82485 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82469] Di, 19 Augustus 2003 14:11 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Max[2]  is tans af-lyn  Max[2]
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"Zaterdag de 13e" skryf in boodskap news:...
> "sorites" schreef in bericht
> news:3f412610$0$226@hades.is.co.za...
>>
>> "Zaterdag de 13e" wrote in message
>> news:bhoish$ove$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>>>
>>> "Willem-Jan Markerink" schreef in bericht
>>> news:Xns93DA1E1B5B0FCwjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4...
>>>> Een al wat ouder bericht, maar nog niet zo achterhaald als de racist
>>>> Mandela himself:
>>>>
>>>> http://slate.msn.com/id/2078003/
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Race and Rescue
>>>> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>>>> By Christopher Hitchens
>>>> Posted Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:28 PM PT
>>
>> (and snipped Sunday August 17, 2003)
>>
>>> Ik weet niet of Mandela seniel is. Wat ik wel weet is dat de apartheid
> in
>>> Zuid-Afrika nog op volle toeren draait.
>>
>> Except that now it's black against white!
>>
>
> Moet jij daar het aantal zwarte bediendes maar eens afzetten tegen het
> aantal blanke.

In 'n land met 40% werkloosheid, is jy maar te bly vir werk. Al is jy 'n bediende...
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82493 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82469] Di, 19 Augustus 2003 15:06 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
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"Zaterdag de 13e" skryf in boodskap news:...
> "sorites" schreef in bericht
> news:3f412610$0$226@hades.is.co.za...
>>
>> "Zaterdag de 13e" wrote in message
>> news:bhoish$ove$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>>>
>>> "Willem-Jan Markerink" schreef in bericht
>>> news:Xns93DA1E1B5B0FCwjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4...
>>>> Een al wat ouder bericht, maar nog niet zo achterhaald als de racist
>>>> Mandela himself:
>>>>
>>>> http://slate.msn.com/id/2078003/
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Race and Rescue
>>>> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>>>> By Christopher Hitchens
>>>> Posted Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:28 PM PT
>>
>> (and snipped Sunday August 17, 2003)
>>
>>> Ik weet niet of Mandela seniel is. Wat ik wel weet is dat de apartheid
> in
>>> Zuid-Afrika nog op volle toeren draait.
>>
>> Except that now it's black against white!
>>
>
> Moet jij daar het aantal zwarte bediendes maar eens afzetten tegen het
> aantal blanke.

Ja een tragisch mannetje en een arme misleide stakker, die niets voor
zijn volk heeft gedaan. Ze hebben zelfs geen plee van hem gekregen.
Twee keer bedrogen en nog weten ze het niet door wie.Gemeen intellect
durven jullie wel tegen deze arme slobbers, die het steeds slechter
krijgen en elkaar afmaken voor nobes.
JamesLobax.
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82533 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82469] Di, 19 Augustus 2003 19:54 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Willem-Jan Markerink  is tans af-lyn  Willem-Jan Markerink
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"Zaterdag de 13e" wrote in news:bhssuu$nj0$1
@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl:

>
> "sorites" schreef in bericht
> news:3f412610$0$226@hades.is.co.za...

>> "Zaterdag de 13e" wrote in message
>> news:bhoish$ove$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>>>
>>> "Willem-Jan Markerink" schreef in bericht
>>> news:Xns93DA1E1B5B0FCwjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4...
>>>> Een al wat ouder bericht, maar nog niet zo achterhaald als de racist
>>>> Mandela himself:
>>>>
>>>> http://slate.msn.com/id/2078003/
>>>> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Race and Rescue
>>>> Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>>>> By Christopher Hitchens
>>>> Posted Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:28 PM PT

>> (and snipped Sunday August 17, 2003)

>>> Ik weet niet of Mandela seniel is. Wat ik wel weet is dat de apartheid
>> in
>>> Zuid-Afrika nog op volle toeren draait.

>> Except that now it's black against white!




>
> Moet jij daar het aantal zwarte bediendes maar eens afzetten tegen het
> aantal blanke.
>
>
>

Valt volledig in het niet bij de zwarte incompetentie in hogere echelons.

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82763 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82533] Sa, 23 Augustus 2003 08:06 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Paul de Dilbeek  is tans af-lyn  Paul de Dilbeek
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Moet jij daar het aantal zwarte bediendes maar eens afzetten tegen het
> aantal blanke.

De zwarten doen waar ze enkel goed in zijn ,van ondernemerschap hebben ze
geen kaas gegeten

"Willem-Jan Markerink" skryf in boodskap news:Xns93DCDEC69A3CCwjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4...
> "Zaterdag de 13e" wrote in news:bhssuu$nj0$1
> @news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl:
>
>>
>> "sorites" schreef in bericht
>> news:3f412610$0$226@hades.is.co.za...
>
>>> "Zaterdag de 13e" wrote in message
>>> news:bhoish$ove$1@news1.tilbu1.nb.home.nl...
>>>>
>>>> "Willem-Jan Markerink" schreef in bericht
>>>> news:Xns93DA1E1B5B0FCwjmarkerinka1nl@130.133.1.4...
>>>> > Een al wat ouder bericht, maar nog niet zo achterhaald als de racist
>>>> > Mandela himself:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://slate.msn.com/id/2078003/
>>>> > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> > Race and Rescue
>>>> > Nelson Mandela's odious views on Iraq.
>>>> > By Christopher Hitchens
>>>> > Posted Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:28 PM PT
>
>>> (and snipped Sunday August 17, 2003)
>
>>>> Ik weet niet of Mandela seniel is. Wat ik wel weet is dat de
apartheid
>>> in
>>>> Zuid-Afrika nog op volle toeren draait.
>
>>> Except that now it's black against white!
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Moet jij daar het aantal zwarte bediendes maar eens afzetten tegen het
>> aantal blanke.
>>
>
> Valt volledig in het niet bij de zwarte incompetentie in hogere echelons.
>
> --
> Bye,
>
> Willem-Jan Markerink
>
> The desire to understand
> is sometimes far less intelligent than
> the inability to understand
>
>
> [note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82944 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82763] Di, 26 Augustus 2003 19:04 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
koos  is tans af-lyn  koos
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ek hop sy prostaat kanker begin wakker word

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Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82947 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82944] Di, 26 Augustus 2003 19:09 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Willem-Jan Markerink  is tans af-lyn  Willem-Jan Markerink
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"koos" wrote in news:bigarm$4i7$1...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net:

> ek hop sy prostaat kanker begin wakker word

Voor iemand die tijdens publieke optredens in de media meer tijd aan de Spice
Girls heeft besteed dan aan AIDS is dat wel een passende straf.

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82948 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82944] Di, 26 Augustus 2003 19:17 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Zutphense patriot  is tans af-lyn  Zutphense patriot
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"koos" skryf in boodskap news:bigarm$4i7$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> ek hop sy prostaat kanker begin wakker word
>

Bent u self seniel?
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82949 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82947] Di, 26 Augustus 2003 19:20 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Zutphense patriot  is tans af-lyn  Zutphense patriot
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"Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote in message
>
> Voor iemand die tijdens publieke optredens in de media meer tijd aan de Spice
> Girls heeft besteed dan aan AIDS is dat wel een passende straf.
>

Ja vreemd he voor iemand die 27 jaar onterecht gevangen heeft gezeten. Die
heeft ook wel eens zin in een lolletje. Dat gekanker op Mandela is zo seniel
en onterecht, jullie zouden daarvoor eens 27 jaar gevangen gezet moeten
worden.
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82951 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82949] Di, 26 Augustus 2003 19:27 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Willem-Jan Markerink  is tans af-lyn  Willem-Jan Markerink
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"Zutphense patriot" wrote in
news:3f4bb29a$0$49098$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl:

>
> "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote in message

>> Voor iemand die tijdens publieke optredens in de media meer tijd aan de
> Spice
>> Girls heeft besteed dan aan AIDS is dat wel een passende straf.

>
>
> Ja vreemd he voor iemand die 27 jaar onterecht gevangen heeft gezeten.
> Die heeft ook wel eens zin in een lolletje. Dat gekanker op Mandela is
> zo seniel en onterecht, jullie zouden daarvoor eens 27 jaar gevangen
> gezet moeten worden.
>
>
>

Ik plaats geen bommen lieverd.
Hij wel.

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82953 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82944] Di, 26 Augustus 2003 20:06 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
DD  is tans af-lyn  DD
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On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 21:04:46 +0200, "koos" wrote:

> ek hop sy prostaat kanker begin wakker word
>
>

Tyd dat jy weer uit hierdie nuusgroep uithop.

DD
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82954 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82951] Di, 26 Augustus 2003 20:20 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Zutphense patriot  is tans af-lyn  Zutphense patriot
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"Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote in message >

> Ik plaats geen bommen lieverd.

Daar ben je te laf voor dan.
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82956 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82954] Di, 26 Augustus 2003 20:21 Na vorige boodskapna volgende boodskap
Willem-Jan Markerink  is tans af-lyn  Willem-Jan Markerink
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"Zutphense patriot" wrote in news:3f4bc0a0$0$49109
$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl:

>
> "Willem-Jan Markerink" wrote in message >
>
>> Ik plaats geen bommen lieverd.
>
> Daar ben je te laf voor dan.

Om onschuldigen mee de lucht in te jagen?
Dan maar liever laf.

--
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

The desire to understand
is sometimes far less intelligent than
the inability to understand


[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
Re: Seniele Mandela [boodskap #82961 is 'n antwoord op boodskap #82948] Di, 26 Augustus 2003 21:22 Na vorige boodskap
Dakduvel  is tans af-lyn  Dakduvel
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Zutphense patriot schreef in berichtnieuws
3f4bb1ec$0$49103$e4fe514c@news.xs4all.nl...
>
> "koos" wrote in message
> news:bigarm$4i7$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>> ek hop sy prostaat kanker begin wakker word
>>
>
> Bent u self seniel?
>
>

von da afrikaans wel geinig.......
ken ik ook!!!!
Sit jou kop in die koei se kont en wag tot die bul jou kom holnaai!

whoehahahaaha
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